viral panel / immunological approach

Obviously.

 

why is that

 

I thought you were here to save lives out of the kindness of your heart and the depth of your experience with MM.

 

I didn't allude to that at all. I don't think I've said you run a scam. All I've ever asked you from day one was if you charged people for your protocol/help/treatment/connections and you've either skirted around the issue, denied it, avoided it or become defensive over it.

I simply asked you if you charged AU $5,000 (I don't know if the sum is exact). Had you replied yes you charge to help people find solutions to their problems, pages and pages and pages of nonsense could have been avoided.

Your protocol may very well be valid. I have no idea. You say it is science and research backed and scientists/doctors are working on things you talk about so I will wait to read the published articles (be they yours, Gibson's or Brown's).

You could have said this is your new business (as in your job) instead of avoiding the issue. It's really that simple.

 

It's your bed. All I asked was that you admit you charge interested members on .org for your time/words/resources.

For the record, when you first appeared here in 2011, then left, then reappeared, you were asked repeatedly if you charged money and you refused to answer directly.

It doesn't matter; you've admitted now that you do.

Yes, you most certainly have. But we can leave it up to interpretation, if you wish.

 

I spoke privately with Steven on the telephone, on a public holiday, during his free time & consumed hours of his day by doing so. He very patently & politely covered, in much detail, possible treatments & the processes I would have to undergo to arrange them. None of these treatments, tests or processes included Steven himself, his team or his paid time. He simply, in a very kind & profession manner explained his view & pointed me in the direction I would have to travel to discover possible & underlining immune difficulty - which may possibly be resulting in the symptoms I suffer today.

The time, assistance & information he provided, considering he asked of no immediate or future financial exchange, was out of the kindness of his heart & the depth of his experience with MM. & for that I'm extremely grateful.

I see zero difference between the time he offered me privately opposed to the time he spends here on the forum offering, for free, information & insight of what could possibly be the underlining cause of classic hydropic MM. I see absolutely no scam, hidden agenda, bribability, immoral corruption or what have you stitched to Stephens threads & posts. What I do see is a man constantly harassed for providing extremely useful information.

 

I'm glad the Wonderful Wizard of Aus was of help to you. My posts have had nothing to do with how helpful, knowledgeable or scientific he claims to be.

I just asked from day one if he charged money for his consulting and his plan. Period.

 

Well now you know, don't you? So there's no reason to insinuate that he has no heart or the time to assist those suffering from MM, is there?

 

I hope that is a rhetorical question because you don't have permission to control what I think or believe.

 

I don't have the permission to do that, you're right. However I do have permission to read comments such as these

 

They certainly do:

http://www.menieres.org/forum/index.php/topic,16214.msg694807.html#msg694807

You never bothered to respond at all, nor did you answer multiple direct questions from June, Jordan, Intrepid, and myself.

 

Translation: Those who wish to send Stephen Spring $5000 for his secret (but as yet, untested and experimental) Meniere's treatment, that he and Irelandman have put so much effort into marketing here on this forum, can do so.

Note that travel to Australia and costs of the medications are not included. Also note that people on this forum who have asked their doctors about this experimental treatment have been told that the blood test Stephen Spring suggests does not exist, and that the visits he suggests to virologist and immunologist are not covered by US insurance plans, as those specialists rarely see patients clinically.

If anyone eliminates their symptoms with this experimental treatment, please do let us know.

 

And what is the alternative? Last I heard, there is still no cure and actually very poor response rates to all that the medical community has to offer to date. Shall we instead bury our heads in the sand and play victim? Or shall we consider that it may be possible that someone, somewhere might know something those of us who continue to suffer don't? How is that threatening to you?

When someone does find an answer or a cure, how do you envision that coming about? Angels from the sky? Headline News or CNN? I highly doubt it. Life ain't pretty or perfect, so what if the answer ends up coming via an Aussie lawyer who suffers all the same human imperfections as everyone else? Would it be any less meaningful or effective?

I just don't get this boogeyman mentality. What are you (the vocal few), personally, so afraid of that you feel you must continue ad nauseum to attempt to stop this conversation? It is so, so, so tiresome...

Adults. Please remember we are adults. Unless you have proof or a first-person account of something, then stop with the character assassination and the second- and third-hand rumors.

Judge not, lest ye be judged.

 

Well said. Hitting the "like" button.

 

THAT's your excuse for repeatedly ignoring direct questions about YOUR patented Meniere's treatment, for which you accept thousands of dollars from people desperate for relief, but make them sign a nondisclosure agreement?

That's pathetic.

John of Ohio and Henry Sullivan have answered every single question about their own approaches to Meniere's, and they don't charge a penny.

 

That's my point--people think, "no cure, no alternative, this guy sounds like a doctor, it's worth a try," because they're desperate. It doesn't threaten me in the least. I'm not desperate. I'm cured already. It threatens those who are desperate enough to send money to an Internet stranger.

The House Clinic, Dr. Hain, and Dr. Derebery don't come on here to market whatever new approach to Meniere's they come up with, do they? In the meantime,let's hold the Aussie lawyer to the same standards to which we hold Henry Sullivan and John of Ohio.

Go right ahead and judge me. I have nothing to hide.

 

Stop the conversation? This thread was as dormant as the herpes virus during remission. Your buddy Irelandman posted and asked what he was missing and why not everyone was excited about SS and his ideas. We answered him and now you accuse us of feeling compelled to answer? This thread was pretty much ignored for a while

Really? You've been 100% judgement free? Haha!

 

I haven't seen anyone post ANY problems with Australian research in general.

You must be getting desperate. Rather than directly answer the questions, you try to throw the focus on those who question you. Neat little lawyer move.

If your treatment is legit, then both patients and doctors will be lining up at your door, ONCE IT'S PROVEN, APPROVED AND AVAILABLE.

In the meantime, I question the ethical nature of your coming here, posting that you have a cure, and refusing to answer our questions. All you've done is held out a teaser. The tests you suggest are not available here--how convenient! The specialists you suggest don't see patients. You tell us that the immunomodulator is the key, but give no further information unless we pay $5000.

I wonder how people would have reacted to Henry Sullivan if he had refused to tell us exactly what treatment saved his wife and relieved his own MM unless we paid him $5000.

This a support forum, not your personal client forum.

 

Right, I just want to make things clear. SS has been nothing but a pure gentleman to me, gave me loads of advice and direction for free and went out of his way and put considerable effort into giving me a numerous contacts in my part of the world should i want to take the viral/immune aproach. never ever mentioned money or going to AUS, although I asked this question openly on the forum so all could see.
The reason I have asked SS so many questions and started threads is because not only am i very interested in this approach, but I wanted to provoke as much intelligent discussion on the matter so all information would be freely visible to all on the forum, and also i would learn as much as possible as he seems to know his stuff. I honestly thought I was helping not only the people here, but the forum in general by generating these discussions.
I am meeting SS in May in the UK, and I was genuinely looking forward to coming back to share information
gleaned from him, but I am really not bothered now. It would just end up being more fodder for the agressive females.

by trying to help the forum, generate discussion and learn a bit I have been labelled a SS minion, a marketing scam promoter, an alter ego and much more. I have been the subject of abrasive, insulting and labelling remarks by a certain group of very agressive females on here. I have also received numerous intimidating pm's from said agressive females.
from now on, I am not going to post here anymore. not looking for sympathy or a "please dont go" type responce. the attitude and responces of agressive females has put me right off posting here, i dont need negative accusations and being intimidated so thats it.
any friends i have met along the way can pm me or e mail to keep in contact but this is my last post for a very long time.

all the best and keep well.

 

As far as I can tell the people who talk WITH Stephen Spring have formed very positive views and found him helpful. And they all say he hasn't mentioned money or payment at all. The people who talk ABOUT him or AT him and who listen to PM rumours are the ones with the problem.

Go figure.

Good luck Irelandman