INS and I hold similar beliefs in that we both appear to think very highly of the teachings of Jesus and that we acknowledge we don't know anything for certain about an afterlife or the deity. The difference is that I am fairly certain I do believe there is something beyond the world of science and senses, and I am OK with calling that God. The reason I don't say too much about it is that it takes me about a page to explain and I end up talking about quantum mechanics, transcendentalism, time, Einstein, Genesis, the need for Jesus, Infinity, etc. If one looks back at all my writings at MM.Org, one would see I never deny the existence of God, particularly when I am arguing with atheists who demand evidence of God. To me that is silly, and I have a whole page answer for why that is as well. I also would never expect a Christian to try to prove to me that God does exist. No evidence is necessary. It is a matter of faith as others have said so well. I also, however, admit becoming frustrated with Christians who won't allow for the possibility for other paths to salvation. But lately I am trying to avoid arguing this as it does not serve the common good. I did backslide once lately by challenging someone I thought was challenging another, but my challenge did not include any attempt to invalidate the beliefs of a Christian, only a less than courteous observation that someone was not being open minded. And Chris, if you were really being mobbed, about 10 of us would be ratting to Ray when you told someone (or more than one of us) to go to hell. I know I'm not reporting you even though people who commit less egregious offenses are sometimes sanctioned. I hope you are in a better mood tomorrow.