How I healed myself

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  1. Intrepid

    Intrepid New Member

    It's obvious you don't want my review on this thread :D
     
  2. wonderin

    wonderin New Member

    I don't understand as I just thanked you for it and decided to make changes before my next re-print based on what you just said? I appreciated your review completely Intrepid! I'm sorry if I was not clear about that.
     
  3. Intrepid

    Intrepid New Member

    I have a question on the part where your husband treated the old lady for her knee problem. It says that she had had years of pain and medical assistance but nothing really worked. One day, during a walk, her knee gave in. Fortunately you and your husband were there. He pressed a spot once or twice for a few seconds and all her years of pain were instantly gone.

    What part of the knee did he press? What kind of knee problem had she been medically diagnosed with?

    I ask because I have some problems with patellar tracking in one knee and while I do need to strengthen the illiotibial band in that leg, it sure would help me save a ton of money on physiotherapy if you could tell me what to press and where.

    The book does not mention the old lady's issue nor the precise spot.
     
  4. wonderin

    wonderin New Member

    Her surgeon said her knee needed to be scraped surgically as it was bone grating on bone. She pointed to the pain, which was the upper inside of the knee itself. Where she pointed led my husband to check the muscle lines on the inner thigh as a first choice (when home, we showed her how to check everywhere). Her particular knot was the inside of her upper leg, approximately half way between her knee and groin. Everyone should be able to prod this area without pain. If there is pain (and it will be very sharp), it is under tension. However, go back to page 73 and you'll see that the whole idea of the book is not to guess where one particular point will be - let your body show you by checking your upper and lower leg systematically. The more you do this, the better you will get at.
     
  5. Intrepid

    Intrepid New Member

    Bear with me.

    Page 20 says that he found a lot of "tight, angry, sore spots" around her knee and rubbed them. After a few minutes of rubbing and pressing those spots, she stood up and "not only was her knee not hurting but she could walk without any problem at all."

    He didn't massage any spot in her thigh.

    Explain this to me: her surgeon said it was bone grating on bone. At the very least, he had a CT scan or an MRI done to help him get to this conclusion. Bone grating on bone means the cartilage is worn down. No amount of rubbing or pressing, or body talking is going to make the cartilage grow back again....in a matter of minutes.

    Your book is full of these types of examples. I understand the connection between muscle tension and kneading out sore spots but bone on bone grating?

    Are you saying the surgeon was wrong? Was there no MRI done?
     
  6. Intrepid

    Intrepid New Member

    P.S. I'm not interrogating you :D I'm sorry of it's coming across that way. I make a terrible client whether it's at the doctor's office, on a massage table, in a class, or reading a report.

    If something sounds contradictory or unclear to me, I ask a lot of questions. I trust my intuition and I trust my body too. But this is not about me; it about something that's being presented in a way that triggers questions.
     
  7. wonderin

    wonderin New Member

    I'm off out now so will answer later... but meanwhile, did you check that spot? Did you check that leg? What did you find?
     
  8. Intrepid

    Intrepid New Member

    Nothing. There is nothing in the quad area. Patellar tracking dysfunction has to do with the hamstrings and the muscles around the knees, not necessarily because of trigger points. It's the socket that shifts due to trauma on the knee.

    Hope you get back with some answers on the lady and her surgeon.
     
  9. Intrepid

    Intrepid New Member

    P.S. The calf muscles in that leg are tighter than the other leg but only because of the injury to the knee i.e. tighter calf muscle followed patellar tracking issue. It has not been this way for very long.

    When we talk about knee injuries, I'm sure you know there are various types and they occur for different reasons. Some is just natural wear and tear caused by aging,

    That's why I was surprised to read the example you used re: the lady. It sort of made knee injuries just one thing with just one cause when in fact, there are several, and they don't stem from trigger points although they can cause them elsewhere are referred pain.
     
  10. wonderin

    wonderin New Member

    Intrepid, the stories in the book are set within the context of the chapter, so pulling parts out will completely confuse those who have not read it. You like concepts (names of conditions, muscles etc). Yet this is so much simpler than that. Feeling for tension is like doing meditation in that it can't be pulled down to concepts and spots. In fact, the more you try to "think", the more you won't be able to meditate. Same thing with the body, the more you conceptualise where your tension SHOULD be, the more you won't find where it actually is. This was why some people could apply DBL whereas some people couldn't. In person, I never have this problem as I simply show them on their own body. Even those who could not get it in the book, could get it in person. In writing, it is not that simple. Please, why not accept that this method is not for you. If you really want to help that knee of yours, check your whole leg as the book explains. If you can't find anything, ask a masseur or physio to do it for you (that is, the WHOLE leg as everyone has unique tension). Then keep treating daily as shown in my book. In terms of the surgeon, of course he wasn't wrong. But the insanely amazing thing is that when you release the surrounding tension, it takes the pressure off the knee and then what can heal, does heal. Then exercise to strengthen. There is always improvement - often dramatic.

    Forget the term "trigger points" and think "tension". Same answer with your next post. If you don't think it can help your knee, then simply don't use it. To be honest, I am surprised you bought the second book when you said all of this at length after reading the first.
     
  11. Intrepid

    Intrepid New Member

    There's a "new age" theme incorporated in your books that I don't care too much for. In both books, I had to wade through all that fluff to get to the mechanics of physiology. That is the only part that interests me.

    I thought your second book would be more scientific in nature since you indicated it was very different from the first one. I would not turn to a book on trigger points for tips on meditation or intuitive healing. It may have worked for you, and that makes me happy, but it's not what does it for me.

    I want to get into the structural and mechanical aspects of muscle and skeleton work. If anybody else thinks along these lines then your books are not for them. It's better to stick with Dr. Janet Travell's medical read or Clair Davies' book which focuses on what you do, where and why.

    That's exactly my point. In writing, it does not deliver. I'm sure in person you are are more successful but the fact is that you are in Perth, Australia and we are in the other three corners of the world so your writing is all we have to depend upon.

    It's not the method that is not for me; your method is directly taken from other people's work, including body mapping which is simply marking tight spots on a piece of paper with the outline of the body. It's the way the method is explained that doesn't work for me. I said I would read your second book and I did.

    Moreover, to say your method can cure people of Meniere's Disease is misleading and deceptive.

    What trigger point therapy does is provide relief from too tight muscles, in the head and neck area,that cause a reduction in blood flow to the brain. Opening up the channels for the passage of blood can relieve the feelings of lightheadedness and or dizziness thus leading to an overall feeling of well being.

    But to claim that your method cures Meniere's Disease is a bogus claim. Either you did not have MD to begin with or you have not fully understood what happens in the inner ear when hydrops or MD is concerned.
     
  12. wonderin

    wonderin New Member

    It makes it far easier for me to know where you stand. I remain here for a while to help anyone interested in the initial stages of applying this. I know through experience that some people are able to do this purely through the book, which is wonderful.
     
  13. Intrepid

    Intrepid New Member

    I stand by what you list in your book. I'm not into New Age fluff. I think you've always known this. I don't have to believe to know that weight loss, for example, will work if the calories I expend are more than the ones I put into my body. My "belief" will not hinder nor facilitate this process. Listening to my body will make no difference either. The secret is in the math of it all.

    Your book is based on the premise that physicians and surgeons who treated or were treating the people you mention in your examples, were wrong. The physician who said your daughter's javelin career was over, the surgeon who erroneously declared the old lady needed surgery on her knee because bone was scraping bone, etc.

    All I am saying is that (in keeping with the theme of your books), it is very likely that you were misdiagnosed by physicians also. It is probable (like the people in your examples) that you never had Meniere's Disease to begin with. Your problem may have been caused by a combination of severe Celiac disease and a bad case of body tension and knots....which you proceeded to take care of in your own way, after researching the works of Dr. Travell and Mr. Davies.

    If you can allow for it to be the case of the people you treated in your book, then why can't you allow that it was your case too. Their physicians were apparently wrong. Yours could have been too.

    Again, I do not think following what is written in your books can cure people with Meniere's Disease. It most certainly can make them feel better as far as muscle tension is concerned and is a valuable testimony to how food allergies, gluten in particular, can wreak havoc on the body's immune system and the gut.

    I am not for or against you. This isn't anything personal. I am discussing the issues you bring up in your book and how it applies to Meniere's Disease.
     
  14. wonderin

    wonderin New Member

    I have been very clear that I'm not here to talk anyone into anything (which is what a discussion would be). I remain here for a short while purely to help anyone interested in applying this.
     
  15. Intrepid

    Intrepid New Member

    Right.

    On the note of no discussion, let me reiterate that this a book directed at overcoming muscle tension in various parts of the body leading to a decrease in blood flow (if it's to the brain, it may very well result in sensations of dizziness), or a tightening in the chest area thus leading to a feeling of not enough air getting to the lungs (which are under the rib cage) and various other parts of the body.

    It it not a book that holds the solution to the cure for Meniere's Disease. In fact, it has nothing to do with Meniere's Disease.

    If someone with MM, on this forum, cures him/herself of Meneire's Disease after reading your book, I will publicly apologize for my mistake.
     
  16. wonderin

    wonderin New Member

    Yes, when all seems lost, there is great power in focusing on those things with the capacity to heal that are within our control: tension, diet, toxins and patterns of thinking. Stop focusing on what can't be done and start focusing on what can.
     
  17. Intrepid

    Intrepid New Member

    No doubt Lee. I'm simply addressing your opening post:

    Basically I just wanted to share with you how I was able to resolve my severely disabling Menieres using nothing more than an extension of the "health basics" - that is, those things that are free and can be applied in the comfort of our own home.

    Your book does not provide the solution to Meniere's Disease. It does provide a path on how to resolve muscle tension.

    You have not yet replied on the surgeon/knee issue. How did he diagnose that the old lady's knee had bone grating against bone? Yet, your husband pressed some angry spots and the lady was fine.

    I'm sorry. This just doesn't make any sense. Please do not insult my intelligence by insinuating that all it is takes is a can-do attitude. It's your way out of not furnishing a rational explanation.

    This is a moot exchange, really. I'm simply expressing my opinion, after having read your books, that they don't hold the solution to Meniere's Disease. I am not dismissing what your wrote in it entirety.

    If someone else, who has read the book, feels differently and has had success with healing from MM, fantastic for him/her.
     
  18. VickiS

    VickiS New Member

    I purchased and downloaded the book and got a lot out of it. I am now working on my sore trigger points...it's a work in process so far. My sorest muscle spots correspond with problem joints.

    Will it work? I don't know yet, but I'm going to give it my best shot. It's something I can do for myself, at home, at my convenience. No specialist/doctor has been able to offer much. In fact, the last time I saw my otoneurologist...a renowned specialist in MAV (which I have)...he suggested I see a psychologist. Pppffftt to him.
     
  19. Kye

    Kye New Member

    That's very wise. My hard copy arrived last Friday and my partner came home from only an hours shopping to find that our dog, bless her puppy-soul, had knawed the corner. Fortunately the book is still readable.
     
  20. wonderin

    wonderin New Member

    Thanks for the feedback Vicki. If you have any questions during the next few weeks, ask away (after that I'm off to the Olympic Games - yeha! :) )
     

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